17 février 2018

Les musulmanes sont-elles intelligentes ? (David Wood)

Vidéo originale : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLoF...
Titre original : Jordan Peterson Destroys Islam in 15 Seconds

Traduction : Chaîne Youtube AmbiguitY.
Plus de 100 vidéos sur les points cruciaux de l'islam.

Dans ce débat avec Cathy Newman sur la chaîne 4, le psychologue clinicien Jordan Peterson prouve qu'il n'y a aucune différence en terme d'intelligence entre les hommes et les femmes. Cependant, le Prophète Mohammed affirme que les femmes sont beaucoup moins intelligentes que les hommes. Les tests de l'intelligence prouvent-ils que Mohammed a tort ? David Wood débat de ce sujet.


Commentaires : 
Petite liste non exhaustive de hadiths sahih où Mohammed nous explique l'intelligence de la femme: Sahih Bukhari 304 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/6/9 Sahih Bukhari 1462 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/24/65 Sahih Bukhari 2658 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/52/22 Sahih Muslim 79a http://sunnah.com/muslim/1/147 Jami at-Tirmidhi 2613 http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/8 Sunan Abu-dawud 4679 http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/84 Sunan Ibn Majah 4003 http://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/78 Riyad as-Salihin 1879 http://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/20/11

Versets sexistes ou discriminatoires envers les femmes http://brisonslemythe.canalblog.com/archives/21_versets_sexistes/index.html Hadiths sexistes http://brisonslemythe.canalblog.com/archives/32_hadiths_sexistes/index.html

NM : Someone should have had these Islamic quotes on placards at the womens march.

I suggested this because among the progressives Islam has a free pass in terms of it's ideologue. Western liberals bravely mock the Bible and Christian beliefs - because it's not brave to mock at all, it's acceptable to mock. But with Islam it's a prejudice. Christopher Hitchens years ago said the term 'Islamophobia' would come about to stop criticism, and he was right. The women at the march went on about how they live in a patriarchy, down with Trump, down with western white men, all the while holding placards of a hijabi woman wearing the United States flag upon her head. They declare it a sign of feminism and progressiveness. Yet, they know nothing about why the hijab exists, how women in Iran fought for their freedom to have a choice, they care not for the women of Islamic State - who once free burned the hijab. These progressives care about nothing more than looking good and being a progressive. There's nothing brave about what they're doing, they're dancing in an echo chamber. The fact is, if someone went around these marches asking women what they thought of the quotes, telling them that perhaps Trump and his friends said such a thing, or the Bible, or some other kind of western male sect, there would be outrage, but when you reveal it was in fact Mohammed and his friends, well then... it becomes an awkward silence and they would prefer the camera shoved out of their face. It becomes prejudice to even mention! I shall never forget the women's march was centered around a woman who told a woman who was genitally mutilated as a child that she didn't deserve to have a vagina.

Also, it's interesting that now the far lefters like Rosie O'Donnell and the likes, who have been criticizing Christianity for years, suddenly now care that Jesus was a refugee from the Middle East, they tweet about it to try and proclaim everyone who is Christian but disagrees with their stance is a hypocrite. Before now Jesus was a character on Family Guy & South Park, someone whose religion you shunned and whose followers you mocked. Suddenly now everyone cares because it suits their movement to try and make Christians appear to be hypocrites. I wonder how the Christians of the Eastern world think when they have celebrities mock their beliefs and raise up the religion of Islam to be the victims when it's the Middle Eastern Christians who have been almost extinct. Never forget that the so called 'Islamic World' isn't Islamic, they were made to be an Islamic world... there are indigenous Christians, Jews and Pagans who descended from the East. The Christians of Egypt were made to tattoo crosses on their wrists as identification, like a star of David. They tattoo themselves today in defiance, despite them still being massacred. It is not the Christians who kill Muslims, it's the Islamic doctrine that orders Muslims to kill other types of Muslims and non Muslims. The backlash against Muslims is tragic and unfair to the innocent, but the finger of blame for all of this disastrous nonsense goes to their brothers in Islam who follow their doctrine too literally. You cant have people killing in the name of your God and book and expect that people won't have a fear "phobia", it's a never ending cycle sadly. Islam needs a reformation and honest scholars and honesty from all, other wise this will just continue and continue.

M : I say, keep posting anti-Islam videos. We need discussions about the role of religion in people's life. You will guide tons of men to Islam.
Although you are doing good work to make people Muslims, you do not get any blessing. Why? Any good done by wrong intention (Niyah) will not count as good deeds. Looking forward for the next superficial video of yours. You guys do not learn from your mistakes. Supporting Hillary Clinton worked well for you guys? You cannot take sides in gender, race, religions, as your evil intention will result in opposite results. One day, the Catholic Latinos will vote for their belief and your immigration policy will backfire. They will demand that religion is taught in their schools organized by Latinos. I see it clearly, because I have something that you cannot learn in schools and in secular books. More you fight religion stronger it gets because it is human nature. Even God knew that Adam and Eve cannot resist temptation and got close to the tree. Pure mathematically steering the pot, when only 2 out of 100 are Muslims, will result in more Muslims statistically. Just make a model. Convincing the reminding 98% to hate will result in more people to love. That is Allah Jabr. One of the Allah's name is Al-Jabbar, the same word is used in Algebra, meaning the rule. You are not fighting Islam, you are fighting the rule that this universe is build upon. Quarn states that the universe is build on (Mizan), equation. You cannot fight math. If you can go away from Algebra that Muslims invented and create your own rules. You will fail miserably.

M2 : This would be nice for on the placards too:
Timothy 2:11-15: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

NM2 : Also this should be added
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 Bible Koran (4:24) and (33:50) - "A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage." Koran (4:11) - "The male shall have the equal of the portion of (inheritance) two females" _ "Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them."_ Hadis Abu Dawud (2155) Hadis Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "Aisha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" I think placards would be much venerated thereafter.

M2 : And also these:
[Ecclesiasticus 25:25] Woman is the origin of sin, and it is through her that we all die. Do not leave a leaky cistern to drip or allow a bad wife to say what she likes. If she does not accept your control, divorce her and send her away." Kings 11:3 about the prophet of God David: "He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines..." The Prophet Muhammad said: "The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their wives." [Tirmidhi narrated by Abu Hurayrah] [Leviticus 12:2-5] "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, if a woman have conceived seed, and born a male child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying thirty three days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a female child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying sixty six days." Also those two narrations you mentioned at the end were not about being superior or inferior to men. The first one (which you also misquoted) is about a supplication husbands are recommended to make when they marry a wife and the second is about things which invalidate the ritual prayer.

NM2 : King David had deviated from righteousness See verse 2 Samuel 11 : 27 "When the time of mourning was over, David sent and [j]brought her to his house and she became his wife; then she bore him a son. But the thing that David had done was evil in the sight of the Lord." And had repented for his sins of sexual immorality. 2 Samuel 12 13-14 '"I have sinned against the Lord,” David said. Nathan replied, “The Lord forgives you; you will not die. But because you have shown such contempt for the Lord in doing this, your child will die.” God did not approve of polygamy although Semitic culture had it as custom. Abraham married Sarai, who was barren so according to dictum of God's provision that marriage is solely for procreation, he had Keturah. While God asked Abraham to listen to Sarah's demand of leaving Hagar, who was a concubine. Genesis 21, 12. Solomon's downfall occurred because of his many wives, Solomon fell from God's eyes. (1 Kings 11 : 6). _"And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold."_ -Deuteronomy 17: 17 Jacob had two wives prior to his conversion, after conversion God changed his name to Israel and took Rachel away and he left a monogamous life. (Gen. 35: 19) Esau's three marriages created problem. Genesis (26: 34-35) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." Ephesians 5: 31 Jesus finally abolished polygamy completely. "But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:2-4 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Mathew 19:9 If God wanted man to marry four wives why didn't he create four Eves for Adam, the ratio was always set 1:1 as it has been reiterated in many places of Torah and Deuteronomy puts all the confusions to rest. Those who did polygamy had either repented for it or fell from God's eyes and almost always had bad consequence.   No misquotations Islam allows men to have sex with female slaves. Koran 4:24 says: "And (forbidden to you) are married *women*, except those whom your *right hand owns*. Such Allah has written for you. Lawful to you beyond all that, is that you can seek using your wealth in marriage and not fornication. So whatever you have enjoyed from them give them their obligated wage. And there is no fault in you in what ever you mutually agree after the obligation. Allah is the Knower, the Wise." "Right hand owns" refers to slaves. Islam allows intercourse outside of marriage is violation against Judaic God and marrying of four wives is also to be treated the same because it was written in Torah Deuteronomy and Jesus had outright abolished it.

M2 : After reading a bit I have come to know that there has been loads of difference of opinion amongst Christian scholars whether if polygamy is permitted. By no means are they unanimous in this. Contrasts so funnily with desperates like you trying to make it seem as such. Also, here are some more wonderful ones for the placards: 1 (Ephesians 5:22) “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” 2 (Timothy 2:12) “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” 3 (Corinthians 11:13) Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 4 (Corinthians 14:34-35) Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.

NM 2 : "You cannot fight math. If you can go away from Algebra that Muslims invented and create your own rules." One truth is sufficient against thousands of lies, so mathematics favors truth and not lies. Again, no Muslims never invented Algebra they simply translated it (by al Fazari) from older Indian works on mathematics, Al-Khwarizmi wrote preface to his book crediting Indian mathematician Brahmagupta. Another lie!

M2 : So you outright admit that the most pivotal figure in Christianity was a misogynist?! And then you turn around and criticise Islam? Such hypocrisy. Furthermore, okay let's concede that though the most influential figure in Christianity was misguided on this subject, Jesus himself was not. Then consider this: Christians believe that Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament, so this entails that those inequal rules concerning men and women in the Old Testament that I mentioned earlier were ordained by Jesus himself! Let me know your thoughts on that.

NM3 : Yes that is what I remembered, for that time with the status of the women at the time, and she being basically called a "whore to be put to death by stoning"- what was said there must be some strong new thinking; and as we evolved, it turned out to be the better way to behave toward humankind. And that was among the few interactions mentioned between a woman and Jesus.
I personally like to get whatever useful ideas I can find in any philosophy, and ignore the violent and arguably decrepit parts which had their logic at that time...and I think that is a modern and healthy way to view any philosophy, instead of focusing on the negative aspects that are of no use to us now.

M2 : Constantin, so when it comes to Christianity, you can leave out all the 'bad' parts and say it's a wonderful religion, but with Islam you may not leave out the 'bad' parts and you must say that it is a terrible religion. Please don't tell me this is what you're saying. Many people seem to act this way..

NM3 : I haven't said that; I have only tackled "christianity" not "islam", as a matter of fact I haven't studied islam as deep as possible so I never said I leave "bad" parts or not with regards to said philosophy. I only commented on the encounter between Jesus and a "whore to be stoned" which I regarded as forward thinking at the time. At the same time I never said about "christianity" or "islam" as being wonderful or not- actually I used "philosophy" and not "religion" when talking about said ideas. As I said previously, I personally like to get whatever useful ideas I can find in any philosophy.

M3 : Ah, interesting. Similar to how Harvard Law School, one of the most prestigious institutions of its kind in the world, posted the verse of the Quran at the entrance of its faculty library, describing the verse as one of the greatest expressions of justice in history. Yup, what a bunch of dummies at that Harvard Law School, right?? How about they hold up placards where it says Paradise is under the feet of your mother? Maybe they should hold up cards showing how the Quran gave women rights 1400 years ago that western society has only caught up to within the last 100 years. Like the right for a woman to own property, or to deny marriage, or to vote. Get your head out your asses people and do some research for your own, stop following bigot Islamophobes and looking to them for information. If you want to learn about Islam go to actual Muslims who have been studying the religion for 20+ years and see what they have to say about these issues. People like Hamza Yusuf, Timothy Winters, Jonathan Brown, Nouman Ali Khan, etc.

NM4 : What I am saying is that what Jesus taught was pure and it was for both men and women. However, even his chosen disciples often got his teachings wrong and he had to correct them.
St. Paul did not even know Jesus when he was among us. All he had was a vision that he had on the road to Damascus. Before that, he was a persecutor of Christians. Furthermore, St. Paul was not Jesus. He was a flawed man just as Mohammed was. His treatment of women was much like what Mohammed taught and what is taught in Judaism, though not as extreme. He even admits his failings in his writings.

M2 : If you are going to take such a skeptical attitude towards the bible, then how DO you know what Jesus really thought?? Maybe the parts of the bible that you find nice and politically correct, are ALSO distortions of his message? It seems very arbitrary to say that all the 'bad' and currently politically incorrect parts are due to his disciples' mistakes and all the good parts are his true teachings, despite being transmitted by those same erring disciples...

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